I still think NZ should develop the spine to resist this crap. We do not have to trade with China, they have no hold over us.

If we are boycotted by other countries stupid enough to buy into "Copenhagen treaty", then it will only be temporary - we can weather the storm. The alternative is economic suicide and just because other countries are stupid enough to commit economic suicide does not mean that we have to follow "them over the cliff".

We should align ourselves with America, they might be able to resist this garbage. People power is stronger in America than it is here, and so although Obama is "committed to Copenhagen", public opinion just might sway things differently.

Countries will eventually realise that ratifying "Copenhagen" is not a "way out" at all, but a way of further digging themselves into the mire.

In UK although the government is committed to "Copenhagen" as well, the people do not like it generally, and they will eventually make that uneasiness felt. Governments can do any silly thing they like, but eventually if they do not have the support of their people, they will fail. For a pretty recent example we only need to look at Nazi Germany, everything they did was "legal" - legal because they legislated to make it so. But in the end they didn't generally have the support of their own people. The more anti-human rights a government gets, the less support it gets from its people.

I used to come across people all the time who were totally committed to the "Kyoto protocol" (the precursor to "Copenhagen") because they will actually totally convinced that it was about "being responsible" and "saving the planet". Now people are starting to wake up and realise that "they've been had, bigtime".

All it will take is a lot of public pressure, a lot of trouble I know, but it is worth it because we owe it to our kids, grandkids and beyond. It might take a generation, but we have to start it.