Out of the millions and millions of $$$ spent every year by the govt on Treaty payouts, does any of that do anything to close the socio-economic gap between the majority of Maori and non-Maori?

Maori in the past I have dealt with on various forums have said that the reason for things such as high benefit rates, high imprisonment rates, high levels of child abuse etc etc is that through the Europeans stealing land (not here to debate whether it was stolen or not) they also stole some of their culture and as such Maori feel disenfranchised.

Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, the Govt can do will make the slightest bit of difference to what has happened in the past.

So is the money the Govt is giving away as compensation for this going to try and help Maori into the future?

How many "street level" Maori actually see any sort of benefit from the money that the tribes are receiving on their behalf.

I suspect that the amount of schools that need to feed children provide the answer you seek.... The NZ Government is becoming a milking plant (public purse) for "those in the know"- from more than one minority- some of the fay richwhites simply take the money and run.

well , 1st , i dont think theres any debate about how the british handled their empire
nor do i think theres any real debate about how the americans handle theirs

standing up and apologizing , and then " compensating " the different " iwi " was never meant to benefit the " average maori on the street "
so to answer your question , no , the " socio-economic gap " wont be shortened
rather , it will be widened

but for a handful of maori , they get a chance to join the elite
and what we have seen is that maori are just like everyone else
there are members of the people who will do whatever it takes to " get ahead " , regardless of race , etc

if i remember rightly and the pay out is in fact 16 billion so far thats about $400,000 anually at at 10% return on assets held for them, EACH, every man woman and child of maori desent. they dont need to be poor, now their being fleeced by their own, just like everyone else in this country

A new 'Maori' Tribal elite, Aristocracy or Tribe Leadership has emerged...educated by Sickly Whitey, Liberal, Marxist, Communists...fees and accommodation paid by by hard working White and Maori peasants...these 'lawyers' or company executives charge 'corporate' (rip off fees) for anything they do. In Short, they are about bullying, lining their greedy pockets, buying show houses in White neighbourhoods, and stockpiling status symbols and holding 'peasants' in contempt..as ignorant oxen. They are jet-setting Big Boys.. living the 'high' life (expensive booze, drugs, whores) Boys..much like Stalin. There is nothing 'Maori' about them as I am sure their ancestors would agree. For Europeans it is a similar situation with their 'leaders' (oppressors and dictators.)The once noble New Zealand modesty, anti-capitalist, anti-consumerism ideology , humility, self-sufficient pastoralism, and generosity by the lambs is considered stupidity by City fat cats and wolves advocating boastful greed and MultiKult.You could say that we peasants are all considered Horis, Niggers or White Trash. They even gleefully espouse how White man's days are numbered and they will be destroyed..swamped by "Brown' people. Imagine if we were that hate-filled about the Maori or the Asians!! Ha Ha, you will experience genocide and annihilation..good job!!!!! DIE out White-skinned people! No, to answer your question, the little guy (Brown or White) won't get much. Just bleed dry and chucked into a dung heap.

No, the average Maori doesn't see a single cent. Several tribes have made it nigh on impossible to register. You need to give a ton of proof as to your ancestry... Not to mention that you need to register in multiple places, as many tribes do not have a single tribal register. That would make things too EASY for the tribe members. I know of Maori who have been unable to register because of the beaurocratic stone-walling they have been dealing with.

In my opinion, the tribes should be forced to pay out to their members, and if someone can prove that they descended from a tribe, they should have on tribal egister per main tribe. The government payouts are to the main tribes, the egisters should follow the same route.

Force the tribes to distribute the payouts to their members, and if individuals are sucking up huge hunks of cash, let them use their own cash to defend their spending. Right now, all of the money is being drained by a tiny minority of the tribal members. They get rich while most members struggle to survive.

Taranaki is still waiting for the government (and past governments) to settle. There will never be enough $$ to compensate the people (deccendants) who DID have their land 'taken' and have suffered generations of lack of equity on what was their freehold land. If there was an easy answer I guess they would have dealt with it over 100 years ago when it was recognised AND recorded in Government that these atrocities to fellow New Zealanders had taken place